Forwarding to the other relevant lists..
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From: David A. Mellis <dam(a)mellis.org>
Date: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM
Subject: [GOSH] open-source hardware definition.
To: gosh(a)piksel.no
Cc: mako(a)atdot.cc, ayahbdeir(a)gmail.com
Hey guys,
At the opening hardware workshop at Eyebeam we went over many of the
same issues that were discussed at GOSH, so I wanted to try to tie the
two conversations together. In New York, we decided to start by
defining open-source hardware in a way that those of us that practice
it can agree to. We hope that this will help us to establish norms of
behavior for those using the term, similar to the way in which the
phrase "open-source" has a fairly clear meaning for software despite
the fact that it is not trademarked or otherwise legally protected. I
see this as complementary to the organization and trademark approach
of OHANDA, and hope that both can help to define and promote
open-source hardware.
In particular, I wanted to get your opinions on the draft definition
at <http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW>. This is a work-in-progress that
attempts to explain what we mean when we say open-source hardware, in
as straightforward a manner as possible. Comments? Suggestions?
I know that OHANDA is using a modified version of the FSF's four
freedoms, but I think there's room for multiple definitions, with
varying perspectives or approaches, as in open-source software (e.g.
four freedoms and the DFSG). Do you think this definition is
something you'd be interested in supporting, as individuals,
particular OSHW projects, or through OHANDA?
David
P.S. If you're interested in continued discussion and development of
the definition, Ayah (in CC) should be able to add you to the opening
hardware mailing list that we've been using.
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From: Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray(a)okfn.org>
Date: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Subject: [open-science] Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) in London on
24th April 2010
To: open-science <open-science(a)lists.okfn.org>
Hi,
A quick reminder that this year's Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) is
taking place in London on 24th April 2010 - in 10 days time! There are
still tickets left - and you can register at the following link:
http://www.okfn.org/okcon/register/
Speakers and sessions include:
* 'State of the Nation' Keynotes:
- Matthias Schindler, Wikimedia (Germany) on 'Bibliographic Data
and the Public Domain'
- Glyn Moody, on the 'Post-Analogue World'
- Peter Murray-Rust, on 'Recent Developments in Open Science'
- Chris Taggart, on 'Open Local Government Data'
- Sören Auer, on 'Linked Open Data'
- Jordan Hatcher, on 'Open Licensing for Data'
* Ideas and Culture with talks on analyzing 'Dickens Letters' and
'Making the Physical from the Digital'
* Open Bibliographic Information with talks on 'The Itinerant Poetry
Library' and the 'Journal Commons'
* Community Driven Research with talks on 'Climate data' and 'Open
Archaeology'
* Civic Information with talks on 'Using Open Government Data to
Profile Politicians' and the 'Straight Choice'
* Open Government Data and PSI in the EU which looks at the current
state of play in France, Norway, Germany, the UK and elsewhere
* Tools with talks on 'Large-scale data handling and revisioning'
with the Genome, Ontowiki, CKAN and more
* Open Data and the Semantic Web with talks about South Korean
DBPedia and Thesaurus Management Tool ‘Pool Party’
* Open Data in International Development including talks from
PublishWhatYouFund and on OpenStreetMap in Haiti
Further details are available at:
http://blog.okfn.org/2010/04/14/okcon-2010-nearly-here-24th-april-2010-in-l…http://www.okfn.org/okcon/programme
More information:
* Main conference page: http://www.okfn.org/okcon/
* FAQ: http://www.okfn.org/okcon/faq
If you have any questions please email Sara Wingate-Gray at sara.gray(a)okfn.org.
We look forward to seeing people there!
All the best,
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Another view on the issue follows.
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From: Jon Phillips <jon(a)rejon.org>
Date: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [kanzure(a)gmail.com: [Open Manufacturing] Fwd:
Non-assertion pledges... for (patented) open source hardware?]
To: "Hard- and Software Development, Kernel, Distribution, Roadmap"
<developer(a)lists.qi-hardware.com>
That list may very well be a blackhole, but the people on the other
end at CC are my friends. I'm working on this part of the puzzle
pretty actively right now, esp. after getting a core dump from many
working in the space at Opening Hardware at Eyebeam last week:
http://scienceblogs.com/commonknowledge/2010/03/open_hardware.php
Basically, for our vices, there are two parts I believe we need for
whatever we want to call OPEN/PUBLIC patents. I'm preferring the
PUBLIC PATENTS concept right now, basically to try and make
easier/more clear patents so that anyone can use them and not get
sued, or rather, to try to make sure that anyone can build upon
hardware and software innovation without the fear of litigation.
So, what I think we need is:
1.) a place where patents of all forms can be publicly disclosed
loudly and with a disclaimer for those submitting patentable ideas
which have, at least in the USA, a 1 year grace period on being
registered, so that the public can be assured that in that 1 year
grace period, the patentable idea will not be submitted as a patent,
or if it is, it is released under the/a public patent license. After
that 1 year, the patentable idea (that is not patented), is available
for anyone to use if not patented...which leads to next point...
2.) A Public Patent License which basically allows for any patent to
be used safely by the public. This would be useful for old patent
portfolios and if one spends the money to patent something and then to
release under a public patent license.
Right now, what I can source is that best path for COPYLEFT hardware
projects (and those feigning with the weak terms OPEN HARDWARE, FREE
HARDWARE, OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE and OPEN SOFTWARE), is to publish
loudly on public channels when new innovation happens (details on this
to be decided of course). Qi-Hardware wiki is a great community
resource for this, as well as your blog, or other places. Publishing
loudly publicly provides prior art for this type of 1 year grace
period to occur.
I'm working on a new public project with some of the actors in the
space if anyone here is interested...My goal is to create such a site
for all sorts of freeing of patents, and also to insure Science
Commons/CC create a very functional and useful public patent license
that people can use. Let's call that the PPL (Public Patent
License)...or as I'm saying: patents for (the) PPL (people).
I must admit, I'm not precise on my terms around patents and my above
knowledge is forming mostly around patents in the USA. But, to get
patents right internationally, thats even more fun. For now, my
concern is really about getting a clear path on a solution for those
worried about patents or working in our FLOSS and COPYLEFT HARDWARE
communities.
Please rip my statements to shreds and/or provide some
counterpoints...and, when this is annoying, we can post up more to the
cc-patents list.
jon
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On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:41 PM, cristian paul peñaranda rojas
<paul(a)kristianpaul.org> wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com> -----
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:17:12 -0500
> From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com>
> To: GOSH! - Grounding Open Source Hardware <gosh(a)piksel.no>,
> Open Manufacturing <openmanufacturing(a)googlegroups.com>,
> diybio <diybio(a)googlegroups.com>, kanzure(a)gmail.com
> Subject: [Open Manufacturing] Fwd: Non-assertion pledges... for (patented)
> open source hardware?
>
> Hey all,
>
> I sent this email to the cc-patents mailing list. Supposedly that's
> where the CC groupies were to be gathering, but I haven't seen a
> response yet, and it seems like it might be a black hole (I hope not!)
>
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-patents
>
> Anyway, I am forwarding this email so that others (on the GOSH!,
> diybio and open manufacturing lists) can comment and provide whatever
> inputs they can.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM
> Subject: Non-assertion pledges... for (patented) open source hardware?
> To: cc-patents(a)lists.ibiblio.org, Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have found my way here from this page:
>
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Patent_Tools_Public_Discussion
>
> I was wondering about the non-profit-research-only non-assertion
> pledge tool mentioned on the page. I became aware of the patent tools
> discussion in light of the open source hardware community. Ayah Bdeir
> dropped a nice link for us to follow and lead us here. In particular,
> one idea that I have been kicking around (fed to me in part by Joe
> Rayhawk) for the hardware community is a non-assertion pledge for
> patent owners who wish to promote open source hardware. In this
> scenario, OSI, FSF, EFF, TAPR, CC, and DFSG principles would be
> written into a set of principles that would guide whether or not
> something is considered to be "open source" (in the hardware community
> sense).
>
> I am not sure how specific this would have to be or how impractical it
> presently sounds. The GNU General Public License v3 is very specific
> about redistribution, modification, etc., and the rights granted to
> the end-user. Would something equally verbose be needed at the center
> of this patent pledge scenario?
>
> >From the mile-high view, it seems that the non-profit-research-only
> specification is more stringent than the open source hardware
> community would prefer as a legal vehicle. Already we see businesses
> like Makerbot Industries licensing their content under CC-BY 3.0 and
> in some cases GPL, BSD, etc., deeper in the internal RepRap community.
> In this instance, there are no patents involved. But it would be easy
> to imagine a scenario where patents were involved from the onset. The
> proliferation of open source hardware in the commercial markets is
> really interesting, and IMHO worth investigating whether or not it
> would be possible. Yes, I understand that this is *not* the intent of
> the research non-assertion pledge currently on the CC wiki.
>
> In light of these ideas, and the recent "Opening Hardware" workshop in
> NYC, I was wondering if anyone has comments, thoughts and advice to
> share? Thank you! I also have many links to dump if anyone is
> interested in the topology of these communities at the moment, and
> what various projects are using for licenses, etc.
>
> - Bryan
> http://heybryan.org/
> 1 512 203 0507
>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM
Subject: Fwd: Non-assertion pledges... for (patented) open source hardware?
To: GOSH! - Grounding Open Source Hardware <gosh(a)piksel.no>, Open
Manufacturing <openmanufacturing(a)googlegroups.com>, diybio
<diybio(a)googlegroups.com>, kanzure(a)gmail.com
Hey all,
I sent this email to the cc-patents mailing list. Supposedly that's
where the CC groupies were to be gathering, but I haven't seen a
response yet, and it seems like it might be a black hole (I hope not!)
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-patents
Anyway, I am forwarding this email so that others (on the GOSH!,
diybio and open manufacturing lists) can comment and provide whatever
inputs they can.
Thanks!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Subject: Non-assertion pledges... for (patented) open source hardware?
To: cc-patents(a)lists.ibiblio.org, Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com>
Hey all,
I have found my way here from this page:
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Patent_Tools_Public_Discussion
I was wondering about the non-profit-research-only non-assertion
pledge tool mentioned on the page. I became aware of the patent tools
discussion in light of the open source hardware community. Ayah Bdeir
dropped a nice link for us to follow and lead us here. In particular,
one idea that I have been kicking around (fed to me in part by Joe
Rayhawk) for the hardware community is a non-assertion pledge for
patent owners who wish to promote open source hardware. In this
scenario, OSI, FSF, EFF, TAPR, CC, and DFSG principles would be
written into a set of principles that would guide whether or not
something is considered to be "open source" (in the hardware community
sense).
I am not sure how specific this would have to be or how impractical it
presently sounds. The GNU General Public License v3 is very specific
about redistribution, modification, etc., and the rights granted to
the end-user. Would something equally verbose be needed at the center
of this patent pledge scenario?
>From the mile-high view, it seems that the non-profit-research-only
specification is more stringent than the open source hardware
community would prefer as a legal vehicle. Already we see businesses
like Makerbot Industries licensing their content under CC-BY 3.0 and
in some cases GPL, BSD, etc., deeper in the internal RepRap community.
In this instance, there are no patents involved. But it would be easy
to imagine a scenario where patents were involved from the onset. The
proliferation of open source hardware in the commercial markets is
really interesting, and IMHO worth investigating whether or not it
would be possible. Yes, I understand that this is *not* the intent of
the research non-assertion pledge currently on the CC wiki.
In light of these ideas, and the recent "Opening Hardware" workshop in
NYC, I was wondering if anyone has comments, thoughts and advice to
share? Thank you! I also have many links to dump if anyone is
interested in the topology of these communities at the moment, and
what various projects are using for licenses, etc.
- Bryan
http://heybryan.org/
1 512 203 0507
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http://heybryan.org/
1 512 203 0507
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From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure(a)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM
Subject: Apt-get for Hardware
To: austin-hacker-space(a)googlegroups.com, kanzure(a)gmail.com, Open
Manufacturing <openmanufacturing(a)googlegroups.com>, Hackerspaces
General Discussion List <discuss(a)lists.hackerspaces.org>
Hey all, [this was originally sent to the Austin Hackerspace mailing list]
I am presenting at Texas Linux Fest 2010 this Saturday (April 10th) on
one of the projects I contribute to, dubbed SKDB. Essentially, it's
apt-get for hardware. Registration for the conference is $40 and it's
up at the Marchesa Event Center in Austin, Texas. Here's the scoop on
the project (but some links first!):
http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb
git: http://designfiles.org/skdb.git
irc: #hplusroadmap on irc.freenode.net
irc logs: http://gnusha.org/logs/ and http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt
And in particular, the talk abstract:
http://texaslinuxfest.org/talks/2010/apt-get-for-hardware/
"""
SKDB is a method for sharing hardware over the internet. By "hardware"
we mean not just designs for circuit boards, but also biological
constructs, scientific instruments, machine tools, nuts and bolts, raw
materials, and how to make them.
You don't need to reinvent the wheel every time you begin a new
project. Someone out there has probably already done most or all of
the work for whatever you are trying to do, and then released the
plans on the internet. There are many common tools and parts involved
in making things. If only we could just "get" everything automatically
from the web, DIY manufacturing would be much easier. Essentially we
want to do something like "apt-get" for Debian or "emerge" for Gentoo,
the Linux software package managers. SKDB simplifies the process of
searching for free designs, comparing part compatibility, and building
lists of materials and components and where to get them. You could
even say SKDB is "apt-get but for real stuff".
In SKDB, hardware is organized into packages. Packages are a standard
and consistent way for programs to find data. Packages may contain CAD
files, CAM parameters, computer-readable descriptions of product
specifications, product-specific code, and bill of materials. For each
part in a package there are a number of interface definitions, which
describe how the part can connect with other parts, even parts from
other packages. Each package also lists dependencies which have to be
bought or built in order to successfully carry out a project. For
example a drill press is required to make holes with a certain level
of accuracy. SKDB downloads all of the dependencies automatically and
compares them to your existing inventory, and generates instructions
for your CNC machinery if you have any.
"""
There are some non-technical videos from a presentation I gave last
December located here:
http://gnusha.org/
.. Gnusha is an open source hardware co-op that I have working with.
The text on the page is from an update email on 2010-01-12, and more
recently there was a huge update in late March that I haven't sent out
(still editing?).
I also wanted to bring up an idea that I will be focusing on at the
shop w/ Les. I think the linux kernel is a good starting point for
running a fablab, machine shop, hackerspace, techshop, or even a lab.
Essentially what I would love to have is, not only apt-get for
hardware, but also machines hooked up to /dev on a server. So, maybe
the laser cutter is mounted on /dev or otherwise through cupsd with a
printer driver, or some hardware-over-network protocol if a machine is
hooked up to EMC on a dedicated box. I'd also like to build something
like /dev/parts for a vending machine of small parts- imagine calling
up `cat` on a file and pipping it to a vending machine, and out pop
your parts for a quickie project.
For now, part bins are more efficient, but I suspect the (vague) idea
is coming across. Anyway, it would be an interesting way of organizing
a shop. A while back I had some silly shell scripts that I wanted to
eventually, one day, work:
http://github.com/kanzure/shelltrance/blob/master/shelltrance.txt
.. but it's easy to spot how that shell script could be improved
significantly (like, wtf is up with the call to `mail`).
- Bryan
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Oh look,
http://oshugxmos.eventbrite.com/http://oshug.org/
"The primary goal is to provide an environment in which those with an
interest in open source hardware can meet, share experiences and learn
from each other. It is hoped that events will be shaped by the wider
user group membership, and whilst meetings are initially being held in
London, they could be held anywhere."
"""
Open Source Hardware User Group
Event #1
An Introduction to XCore XS1 & Amino
Open source hardware is an approach to building physical objects with
the principle of allowing collaborative development, use and tinkering
through the liberal licensing of artefacts such as manuals, software,
schematic diagrams and CAD documents. Typical open source hardware
projects range from simple electronic circuits to digital and radio
systems, through reprogrammable computing platforms, to hardware that
combines elements of electronic, mechanical and software engineering,
such as 3D printers and laser engravers.
This is the first of what is hoped will become a regular event for
people with an interest in open source hardware. For the inaugural
meeting we are fortunate to have presentations from Prof. David May
FRS, CTO of XMOS Semiconductor, and Alan Wood of Folknology Labs.
XCore XS1 (XMOS)
David May will be known to many as architect of the transputer and
author of the concurrent programming language, occam. As co-founder
and chief technical officer of XMOS Semiconductor, he will be
providing an introduction to the XCore XS1 microprocessor architecture
and the associated development environment. [actual abstract TBC]
XMOS is a fabless semiconductor company that develops multi-core
multi-threaded processors designed to execute several real-time tasks,
DSP, and control flow all at once. XMOS coined the term
software-defined silicon, and this can be seen as midway between FPGA
and MCU. However, unlike an FPGA there is no requirement for a complex
HDL toolchain, and C and C++ can be employed in development, with XMOS
extensions to C for concurrency (XC).
Amino (Folknology Labs)
Amino: a networked creator tool for hardware and software production.
XMOS software-defined silicon technology serves to blur the line
between software and hardware, and Amino uses this technology to
further blur the line between prototyping and production. Amino is
also Internet native, event driven and optimised for concurrency, and
may be seen as a building block for networked open source hardware
creation.
Alan Wood - a.k.a. Folknology - originally trained in systems
engineering, got lost in software engineering and open source for a
decade, before returning back to his hardware roots via the open
source hardware and makers movement that has gathered momentum over
the last few years. Al's interest lay in pushing the envelope for open
source hardware/software production and agility: "We are approaching a
tipping point where open source and open creation physically changes
the real world not just the virtual world. With Amino we are selling a
creative tool, not a finished product. We are selling possibilities.
The participant decides what runs on it, not us. We just give them as
much as we can to help them through that process.".
At the conclusion of the formal part we plan to head across the road
to a pub, for open discussion and to plan future events.
Note:
* Due to security arrangements it is vital that people arrive on
time, or if possible slightly early - any time from 17:45 is fine. If
there is nobody on reception please call 020 7960 1771 for access.
* If capacity is reached and you would like to attend please
contact us, we'll put you on a waiting list and may arrange a larger
venue if there is sufficient demand.
"""
http://oshug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/oshug
Hopefully they will be interested in collaborating with the broader
open source hardware community:
http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturinghttp://groups.google.com/group/diybiohttps://piksel.no/mailman/listinfo/gosh
etc.
- Bryan
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1 512 203 0507